How To Live Big, Bold, And Brave with Clint Hatton - 097

In this episode, I'm joined by Clint Hatton. Clint is a deliriously happily married man of 20 years to his bride Amárillys and the proud father of three boys. He has been through more ups and downs than almost anyone you'll ever meet.

He has been credited over a 17-year career with training thousands of people in developing the character, values, and mindsets of an elite leader. 

Clint was awarded the 2017 Distinguished Leadership Award as a Global Influencer by iChange Nations and is the author of the book Big Bold Brave - How to Live Courageously in a Risky World.

Tune in for one of those episodes that went longer than usual simply because the conversation was too good to end.

Full of practical takeaways, deep topics, and profound realizations, this episode will have you thinking about life differently(for the better) after having listened.

Inside The Episode:

• How to turn your pain into purpose to impact others
• Lessons on how to deal with grief and devastation
• How to unpack childhood trauma decades later
• Identifying the "chapters" or unique phases so you can adapt
• How to completely reinvent yourself and your life
• How Clint overcame years of drug addiction to become a pastor
• How to continually get up when life gut punches you over and over

Connect with Clint

• Clint's Website
• Instagram
• Big Bold Brave Book

Connect With Bradley

• Bradley's Instagram

Transcript

Bradley Roth: 0:34

Hey everyone. Welcome back to another episode of the Not Most People podcast. This is the show for those allergic to mediocrity group think and following the status quo. And this is your host, Bradley? Or did I say that already? I'll cut that out, but yeah, so before I get into it, a lot of you guys maybe. Maybe you've been with us for a while, and I would just like to remind you of my one ask, and that is simply if I provide value to you, that you provide a little value in return just by helping me grow the show. And that can mean a lot of different things. That could be sharing it with a friend or two that you know will resonate or get value out of it. That could be sharing it on social media, tagging me or not most people. That's always greatly appreciated. And then also leaving a rating or review on Spotify, apple, or wherever you're listening is greatly appreciated. That helps get the show in front of people that otherwise would not find it. So all of those things, just take a couple minutes. They don't cost you anything. And I'm gonna continue to keep this show ad free and sponsor free as long as I can for you guys, as long as you keep helping me do that. So that's all I really ask. I put a lot of time, energy, and money into this show. And so, if you could just do that for me, if it's a great episode. That's greatly appreciated. And if you don't like it, if you didn't get value, don't share it. But that's that's just kind of the value exchange I asked for with this show. Uh, we also have a lot of cool stuff going on with Namo people beyond the podcast. So we have the Namo People Alliance, that's our community of like-minded people. And coming up here, depending on when you're listening, we have the Not Most People Summit. So that's a big three day event in Arizona that if you really want to get, you know, into the not most people mindset and surround yourself with other amazing people, definitely something to check out. I'll have the links to that and everything else, not most people down in the show notes. That's it kind of for housekeeping today. We're gonna get right into it. I have special guest Clint Hat in here with me today. Clint, welcome to the show.

Clint Hatton: 2:36

Thank you, Bradley. I'm stoked. I'm totally stoked to be with you.

Bradley Roth: 2:41

Awesome. Me too. So I'm gonna give you guys a quick intro on Clint introducing him to you. He is a deliriously, happy, happily married man of 20 years to his bride. Emma, I, we just went over this. Emma realists. You did it. You did it. We, yeah, there we go. And the proud father of three boys. He has been credited over a 17 career, year career with training thousands of people in developing the character, values and mindsets of an elite leader. Clint was awarded the 2017 Distinguished Leadership Award as a global influencer by I Change Nations, and his author of the book, big, bold, brave, how to Live Courageously In a Risky World, Clint has a track record of creating energy, delivering dynamic content, and giving audiences the tools to transform their lives immediately and live big, bold, and brave. So a long little bit of a longer, uh, career track record than me. Probably a bit spoken to a lot more people than me, so, cause I'm older. Yeah. That's the only reason. Hey, well that, that always makes for, you know, the best guess when, you know, it's people who are very, very comfortable speaking and delivering their message, and it sounds like something that you've been doing for a long time, but it's shifted a lot, I think, over time. Yeah. From kind of where you started, I believe you were a pastor for a while. That's, that's right. Yeah. I don't know if you technically still are, but I know you've kind of, you know, had, had a major, uh, you know, roadblock or event in your life. Yeah. What was that in the last two or three years? Yeah,

Clint Hatton: 4:14

just it's actually, I, I, I feel like it's three, two, but I was figuring it out. It's actually a little over three and a half now.

Bradley Roth: 4:20

Oh, wow. Yeah. So tell us a little bit about that, I guess your life. Free and post in a sense, if that makes sense. Yeah, I'm sure. Absolutely. I know it's like something that you, it's now part of your message and you share it all the time. I'm sure maybe it gets easier, maybe it doesn't, but, uh, if you would, I'd, I'd appreciate you kind of giving us the highlights and the lowlights. You bet.

Clint Hatton: 4:45

Absolutely. It's an honor to be on this show with you. You know, I really feel like we're so aligned with the mission and what not. For sure. People stand for. You know, I just, I'm, I'm really excited to be with you today and You're welcome, by the way, for the, uh, tongue tires that gave you kinda a tough one there. I tried to, as you know, we talked before we got on camera, I, I shortened my bio to make it less wordy, but you got the deliriously happily, and then you got tamarillos. So I threw you some challenges there.

Bradley Roth: 5:10

That's all good. I enjoy those. Makes me better.

Clint Hatton: 5:14

That's right. Yeah. So, you know my story, uh, I think for me, the way I usually like to frame it is I grew up in Southern California. I like to say sunny southern California cuz I was an athlete, you know, we could play outdoors all the time. And that was back in the days when literally you could be out all hours. That's all you did night. Yeah. As and, and nobody worried about anything, you know? So, and we had a p we were middle class, maybe even a little bit towards the lower middle class. Uh, want for anything. We actually had a pool, you know, which was pretty cool, you know, growing up there. And so, you know, I really felt like my early childhood. Was, if there's such a thing, Bradley normal and you know mm-hmm. Really life was pretty good. But then about 11 years old, that's when I think I suffered my first real major gut punch in life. Which, you know, we're gonna talk a lot about our stories and, and just where, where we decide to go with this conversation. But, you know, that's life. We all face gut punches and so. Mm-hmm. But what happened was, my parents actually got married at a very young age, and after my brother was born, who's eight years older than me, she, my mom had a partial hysterectomy. So they actually thought, you know, they'd never have kids again talk to, told her, you, you can't get pregnant. And lo and behold, eight years later, voila, here I come, you know? And so Uhhuh, I come on to the scene. So the reason why I'm saying that is by the time I was 11, they'd already been married over 25 years. Mm-hmm. And my dad ended up deciding to have an. Which, you know, as anyone who's experienced that, and unfortunately there's probably a lot of people listening who have been on one side or the other of that. Right. You know, it's, it's a pretty devastating blow. And he ended up deciding to move out and move in with his girlfriend who had a son that was only a couple years older than me, that was just, you know, weird and awkward at the least. Mm-hmm. But the immediate impact that had was my mom, who I think I said already, they were married at 1816. You know, that's, that's all she knew. She didn't know anyone else. And so she didn't respond very well and started drinking pretty heavily. Um, ended up suffering from suicidal ideation. So, you know, here I am, my brother again was much older than me, so he'd already moved out and lived several hundred miles away. And so it was just me and my mom and. She's trying to, you know, use me as a coping mechanism and talk things through. And of course I can't. I'm 11. And, uh, so anyway, she, she started, you know, trying to commit suicide. She tried a couple different times with drinking and pills unsuccessfully, and then really got ugly a couple of times with one time in a speeding vehicle with her being drunk and me being in the passenger seat. Wow. And kind of, kind of just out of her mind saying, I'm just gonna end it, you know, for both of us. And we spun out on a little two-lane highway in Southern California and just missed some trees and just, you know, uh, very fortunate that that didn't happen. And then another time with a handgun that was also a very close call where my dad and I had to kind of wrestle it away from her. And so, you know, had some pretty traumatic experiences at that age. And so went from feeling like life is good to. What the hell, you know? Yeah. And, but what it did, Bradley, and, and I'll fast forward, so cuz we don't need to, you know, go into the weeds with this story, but th this whole scene and some of the stuff I went through during that time lasted about two years. My dad did eventually end up moving back in, um, they actually ended up being married for over 65 years. And both of them passed away in their eighties, about eight years ago. We had a, a really great relationship in my later adult years and mm-hmm. So that was, that was all good. But what happened, uh, coming out of that season at 11 or 12 is I started being pretty independent. You could probably interject the word rebellious, use that instead, you know? Yep. And I think looking back, we never really had this part of the conversation, but I think looking back, they just didn't do much about anything because they probably just carried a lot of guilt and shame through what they put me through, you know? So I started abusing drugs and alcohol, 12 years old, 12, 13 years old. Wow. And really the only thing I believe that kept me, um, semi on track, cuz obviously that's a, a really poor coping mechanism, was the fact that I was an athlete. And at least in the stages, I, you know, played at and the things that I did, I was pretty successful. So it kept me from going completely into the dark and completely off the edge. But, you know, time would go on and eventually that was no longer available to me. You know, I won't bore people with my lane career, but you know, I ended up suffering. Catastrophic knee injury. My senior year of baseball, when we were one of the top rated teams in California, I was the starting shortstop returning to all star. That was devastating. Then a couple years later, I started playing junior college football with the hopes of using that to go on and play at a, a bigger school and finish my education. And second year blew out my knee again, only this time even worse. And mm-hmm So sports was at least competitive. Sports was outta the picture. So I'd love to tell you that I had more drive than just that, but I didn't. And so what happened was, at 21 years old, I actually got into the car business cuz I had some friends that made some pretty good money doing it. And I knew I needed to do something and, and I just didn't have a drive for, you know, education anymore. And so what ended up happening through that is I was introduced to even harder drugs and I actually had about a nine year stretch, even though, you know, I, I was a professional salesperson, you know, I paid my own bills, I took care of myself. I wasn't a, uh, a leech to anybody. Right. But I, I abused meth for nine years during that period of time. Mm-hmm. Um, I mean, I remember days of, we, we would have these long weekends that we would get off once a month in the car business. And I would literally, I don't even know how many times not go to sleep from Thursday night until Sunday night. That's how, how much, you know, meth we would do, and just the crazy lifestyle, you know? Mm-hmm. And so ultimately where that led me is about 30 years old. I was in a marriage that was just as you can imagine, right. I've given you no proof that I had any business being a husband. Right.

Bradley Roth: 11:19

Not at that point.

Clint Hatton: 11:20

Yeah. There's no evidence. Right. I love to help people even from a young age, but, but clearly, you know, I had a lot of things going on and, and just mm-hmm. Emotional baggage and things I didn't know how to deal with. So ultimately in this marriage, we ended up doing meth. This one last time I was 30 years old and. During that time, I think it's important to point out, cause I think, you know, when you, when you get to what I'm about to tell you, cuz most people are pretty shocked, there were other things going on besides just this one decision. I, I'd gotten involved in a network marketing company that was in the nutritional business. So I was taking a little bit better care of my body. Um, I was involved with mentors now who are speaking, you know, life into me and, and training me life principles that I'd never really heard before and mm-hmm really helping me feel like I could actually be somebody that I didn't have to be a victim to my past and, and especially my own, you know, shooting myself in the legs so many times, which is poor decisions. So all this stuff is going on, but we woke up that next morning after doing meth for what ended up being the last time, and, and I was just done, dude. It was just, I, I literally woke up, not that you've ever felt good coming off of meth, but it, it wasn't just that I didn't feel good in my body. In my mind, my mindset for the first time was, I'm sick and tired of this being part of my identity. I'm sick and tired of this kind of a lifestyle. And even the risks that I was taking, you know, being in environments where I could have been arrested at any time, you know, trying to get the drugs and things like that. And I made a decision that day I, today I called them courageous decisions, but back then I just, I just told myself I'm done. And I quit cold. And never, you know, never picked it up again. Which it's been probably 25, 30 years ago now, um, or close to 30 years ago. So that didn't change my marriage though. It wasn't enough. Um-huh. And, and about a year later, you know, I ended up, I'm a man, I'm a man of faith. I was, you know, I did end up becoming a pastor for 17 years up until just this last year, which we'll get into later. But, um, when, when that happened, my ex-wife just wanted nothing to do with it. She ended up filing for divorce. We went our own separate ways, and I was kind of free, but that was, that was really the early, you know, first three decades of my life. And it was, wasn't until really 30, 31 years old that I really started to get on track of becoming the person I wanted to be. Mm-hmm.

Bradley Roth: 13:47

Wow. I mean, part parts of that story, I can resonate with parts of it. I definitely can't, you know, um, kind of going through that stuff at a young age. Yeah. It's a lot to unpack. Fortunately, you eventually got to that point where you started to, and you started to do that work. But I think that the majority of people that go through that, they never kind of get out of that. They never have that, that day. Like you talked about, you wake up and you're like, I'm done with this. Right. Or Yeah. I think anyone who's kind of turned things around seems to have that, like that one distinct turning point that they can look at. And, uh, one of my favorite authors, MJ DeMarco coins it as like a f t e Oh, fuck, this event. Where, yeah. Okay. Eventually, eventually, like, you've had enough and like, that's it. Like you're, you're changing and you make the change. And so, um, you know, people either go through, like, they, they build a tolerance to pain where they just never, never have that, or they don't experience enough pain. Like I, we were just kind of like in the middle, you know, like they're just comfortable enough that they'll never get to that point to create. A lot of change. And it could be a hard thing because, you know, I ask a lot of people about that and they'll, most of the time there's outside circumstances that lead to that, right? Like you, it was kind of things growing up. Like, you're 11 years old, what are you gonna do? Right? Or people have near death experience, but you can't just like go out and be like, you know what? I'm gonna like go have a near death experience or go, uh, you know, and go jump into like a, a family with a lot of issues, you know, whatever it might be. Um, so it's always interesting to kind of pinpoint those, those turning points. And, um, and I can relate to with the athlete part, you know, growing up, Hmm. That was my whole identity, right? That's all I knew. Um, and I think whether it's sports, like that's an obvious example, especially people who go on, you know, like for me and you, it was only high level, high school, a little bit of maybe college athletics. But think about the people who, like, that's their, their career and then that's taken away. Right? And so like, that's a parallel to a lot of other things. People who tie their whole identity to one thing. Yeah. And then it gets taken away. It's gone. And you got, and you're kind of like, man, what do I do? I gotta reinvent myself. I'm guessing that probably led you further down the path of, you know, the drugs and alcohol as, you know, further coping mechanisms and that kind of thing. Yeah. Um, so I think there's a lot in that story that people, you know, even if they didn't go through, that can relate with Right. Lots of parallels, kind of this journey. And, um, yeah. So like, I'm curious, cuz you said like you're going through this, you're, you're in this marriage, you're spending, you know, your Thursdays through Sundays, um, you know,

Clint Hatton: 16:41

once a month, only once a month is, is that It's

Bradley Roth: 16:43

good, right? Yeah. I, I've never, I don't know, I've never heard the term like a high functioning meth addict, but it sounds like, it sounds like that's almost where you were at. Um,

Clint Hatton: 16:54

yeah, that's what I thought. You know, that's definitely what I thought. You know, if I, if I were able to somehow go back in time and visit my old self, I'm not sure that was factual,

Bradley Roth: 17:03

but anyway. Right. Yeah. I mean, that sounds better than it probably was, but the fact that you were able to kind of keep this semi successsful career for that long while doing that is, is kind of crazy. Right. And then, yeah. Um, you said during that time you kind of got into, like, you, you had mentors and people who were speaking life into you and you Yeah. Like were you still, like you said you were always into your faith. Were you still like going to church and stuff during that time period? Or was it something that you kind of came back to?

Clint Hatton: 17:35

Yeah, it actually, the, the church, um, in, in my faith, I mean, I'll say it this way. I, I, I still to this day, I had a short experience when I was 19 where I prayed a prayer, went to church for two and a half months, and then when I moved to Northern California from LA, walked away completely for, you know, 12, 15 years or whatever. So, um, so I, I do not consider myself a church kid at all. That was a very brief encounter and, and, uh, gotcha. Part of my life. But, you know, the, the mentoring through this company, which did end up being. Run by a bunch of Christians. I didn't choose it for that reason. I had no idea until I was involved in it. Mm-hmm. And I'm not even saying it's, they were great because they were Christians necessarily, cuz there's lots of people of different faith that are not great people. Right. But, but I was just very fortunate that these were people that really cared about people that poured into me. And so I was learning these success principles or live principles, whatever you wanna call it. Mm-hmm. But then just through O

Bradley Roth: 18:35

osmosis kind of.

Clint Hatton: 18:36

Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And some one-on-ones. And you know what I mean? They spent time with me and, which I think, you know, you and I probably. Coach people on that all the time, that you need strong people in your life, you know? Yeah. And so that was going on, but, you know, one of them, my, my upline, which people aren't involved in network marketing probably. What are you talking about? But that's basically the person who, uh, I, I worked the most with because I was in their line. They brought you in essentially. Yeah, exactly. Um, was very successful and happened to be a believer. And so she invited me to go to church many times. And so ultimately at 31, I accepted an invitation. And the funny thing was, for me, it wasn't, it wasn't to find God or faith or anything. I, I literally knew one thing that they also had gut punches in life. You know, I mean, I've spent a lot of time with'em, so I knew things weren't always perfect, but I also recognize that they respond a little differently than I did, and they always seem to have, I used the word peace now, I didn't have the language for it back then, but mm-hmm. They always seem to have this peace or calm in, in tougher circumstances, and I didn't, you know, I could go, I could go on a spiral. So finally one day I, I accepted an invitation to go to church, just trying to figure out, okay, maybe this is part, and for me, that's what ended up happening. You know, I ended up deciding to, uh, give my life to God, and, and so ultimately over the course of that next year, I really began to feel a pull that I was supposed to be in ministry. Obviously you guys already know that I was a pastor for 17 years, so that did happen. Mm-hmm. But that was the catalyst for my ex-wife who wanted nothing to do with that, to sign papers and just say, no, you can go your way. I'll go mine. And, and that's, that's ultimately how that all came about. But that was, you know, 31 years old man before the shift began to take. Then I ended up moving to Dallas from there and that's when life began to take off. Hmm. Uh, but it didn't stop the gut punches. You know, life can be a mixed bag. The

Bradley Roth: 20:35

gut is never stop, I don't think. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Um, and it's interesting because. I mean, I'm 31 right now, so I'm like listening to your story. You're like, yeah. So it's interesting, like kind of, you know, putting myself in those shoes and that's that thing, but

Clint Hatton: 20:50

you are eons ahead of me.

Bradley Roth: 20:54

Well, yeah, it's funny cuz you can always find someone like that. Like, I, I got into this whole game, or, you know, personal development, business, all that, like mid twenties and I'm like, man, I know people who like at 17 were already like reading the books that I'm reading now and yeah. That kind of thing. So you can always find that example either in front or behind you, right? So, yeah, absolutely. It's just like, you know what, it is what it is. I'm here where I am now and there's probably a reason and a, you know, kind of divine timing to all of it, uh, which is something that takes a while to, to really understand, you know? Yeah, absolutely.

Clint Hatton: 21:27

Can I say something real quick? Sure. You just said something, I just wanna make a quick point and I I don't wanna stop you, but Yeah. You know, talking about getting in it so young, you know, I, I was in my thirties. One of my main mentors was someone who was much younger than me, that got in the, that industry at about 17, eight years old, was homeless and Sheena becoming very successful, you know, being a star in one of those shows, uh, secret Millionaire and stuff like that. And so my point is just simply, that's something we all need to be aware of too. You know, I've lived life, I've got a lot of wisdom, a lot of experience. But if you really want to be not like most people, you need to be teachable from anybody. Mm-hmm. Doesn't matter their age doesn't even matter, their experience. Every, every single one of us bring value to this planet.

Bradley Roth: 22:11

Yeah, a hundred percent. I mean, that's, that's the hard thing is like, you wanna catch people young as much as you can, right. Because the, like, when you're older, people are set in their ways and thinking they have, you know, less pliability and kind of who they are and that sort of thing. Right. I think it's like by the age of 35, like your personality's supposed to be kind of like set or whatever. Yes. I don't necessarily buy that personally. Um, but that tends to be. Kind of how it goes for most people, you know? Sure. So like, you get people in their fifties and they're like, eh, it's too late for me to, to change my life or turn around and like, I get it right? Because like I said, I'm, I'm 30 and I look at people who are 20 and I'm like, man, I, I got a late start. And so I like, I get it when people are like forties, fifties, sixties, and they're like, oh man. Like, well, I've been doing this forever. This is who I am. I'm not gonna, this isn't gonna change. And so it's, it's not easy, but it's always po There's always stories that you can find of people who did it. Absolutely. But, um, absolutely. But anyways, going back to what you said a couple times about gut punches, um, you know, kind of, I've done a few of these, like little, I have the summit coming up, but I've done a few of these kind of little, not most people live events where I do a live podcast and I always get up and I speak for a few minutes and I hate, I hate public speaking, but I do it just to kind of, you know, It's an opportunity to help people understand not most people, on a deeper level, right? And so I'll kind of like get into a certain concept or whatever, and you heard at the beginning of the episode, allergic to mediocrity group think and following the status quo, right? And when I say allergic to mediocrity, I think the only way anyone ever achieves mediocrity is by settling, right? Yeah. Like if you, if you don't settle in life, there's no way that you're stuck at mediocrity or that you're gonna be there for long, you know? Yeah. And settling happens because like you said, everyone gets punched at the gut. In the gut at some point. Everybody, when we're young, we're ambitious, we're optimistic, right? All these things, everyone growing up, right? Like everyone growing up, what do they wanna be? They wanna be pro athletes, astronauts, celebrities, millionaires, right? All like no one's. Like, man, I. I want to grow up and like be like a telemarketer or something, you know what I mean? Right,

Clint Hatton: 24:23

right. So, and I'm gonna be the most mediocre, fill in the blank that I can possibly be cuz that's what I'm all about,

Bradley Roth: 24:29

you know? Right, exactly. Yeah. No, no one grows up being like, man, I can't wait to live an average ass life, an average house and drive an average car. Right? Like we just don't think that way. But that's where a lot of people end up because Yeah, as they're crushing the gut, sometimes it's at 11, sometimes it's at, you know, in your twenties, whenever that might be. Um, but since as most people they get hit, okay, first time you get back up, you get hit again, you get knocked on your butt, you get back up and eventually people tend to get hit enough that they get knocked down and they say, man, like, yeah, I dunno if I wanna stand back up again cuz I think I'm just gonna get knocked back down. Is it worth it? Yeah. I think it's more comfortable to just kind of stay down here. And that's what happens to most people is they end up at a certain point staying down there. And then the ones who become not most people, the ones who we, we hear the stories about, that we read about, that we watch movies about. They tend to be the ones who just kind of like, no matter how many times they get hit, they just keep getting back up. Right. They're, yeah. I always say like, to be not most people, you have to be kind of a healthy amount of stubborn, right. Yeah. I like that. Yeah, for sure. Like hardheaded in a sense, which I've been told I am at times, mainly by my wife, you know? But, uh, you should listen, but I'm like, sometimes that's a good thing, you know, like there's people Yeah, it is that I know. And I'm like, man, why aren't you more stubborn? Like, why do you give up so easy? Or why do you, like, yeah, you know, you wanna do these things and you can, but like you've, you've kind of accepted the fact that you can't, and because you've done that now you won't. You know what I mean? So it's just a, you know, one of those analogies that. I like to use, and you brought it up a couple times. And so I think that's really powerful. But, um, you know, I think people listened to this at a wide variety of ages. It's never too late. And the only way you're ever gonna lose long term is if you stop, you know, whatever it is. So, and you're gonna have to adjust, you're gonna have to pivot, right? Like, you growing up in your teens was totally different from your twenties was totally different than your thirties, right? Yeah. So it's like wherever you're at, we tend to think that that's where we're gonna be, right? That our life's just gonna continue on that path. And you're, you've clearly shown like, all right, zero to 11 was pretty awesome. At 11 things changed big drastically. And your twenties, you know, they changed again at 31. They're cha So it's like, I mean, it's almost kind of like a decade by decade thing in your story in a sense. Yeah. No, you're right. Yeah. Yeah. And then, so from 31, you moved. That's another thing that. Kind of jumps out at me. Right. You're like, I moved Change of environment. My life started to change for the better. And that's something that I can resonate with, right? Like being from Connecticut, growing up there, uh, I'd lived there till, you know, 27. And then me and my wife, you, we, we weren't married yet, but we moved out to Arizona. We were there for four years. And like big change. Yeah. A life-changing kind of move, you know, and, and for the better, you know? Cuz I think we grow up around certain influences, certain environments, certain people. And at a certain point if we want to do those bigger things, we're still associated with kind of growing up, right? And that's not always the one that's most conducive to the progress that we're seeking. So I think it's, yeah, I'm not telling everyone to go move across the country, but I think, I think there's a lot of people who would benefit heavily from. A change of environment or a kind of a fresh start. Like you get to go now, like we didn't know a single person in Arizona. So now I get to, in a sense, I can reinvent myself, right? Like I'm right, starting fresh, clean slate, new relationships, new associations, like, you know what I mean? And so I think a lot of people need that. And it sounds like that was kind of how it worked for you.

Clint Hatton: 28:26

Yeah, no, it really did. Yeah. You know, one, once I was divorced, I recognized that, you know, it was kind of, kind of a clean slate, right? Uh, at that point, uh, it was just me. So I had the ability to make any kind of move I wanted to make. And, um, for me, it had, it had, again, I'd mentioned earlier that I really felt like I was supposed to be in ministry, meaning, you know, working for an organization or a church or something. That's just what I felt. And so, mm-hmm. When, to your point, when I made the move from, it was Redding, California, where I lived to Dallas, I sold my car. Um, Most of my belongings did not have a job, had never visited Dallas. I mean, this is, yep. Again, to your disclaimer a minute ago, this, this is not a recommended plan, you know, to beat not for everyone. Yeah. Right. Not for everyone. Um, but it w But here's the point. Just like you felt compelled to move to Arizona, you know, that's how I felt. I felt compelled. Mm-hmm. And so I, I followed through on it and, and I really believe that there was a few things that were going to happen once I got here. Now, I'll, I'll admit upfront before we get into that, the timetable almost never matches. Right. You almost never happened. Never as quickly as you want. Right. But I really believed I was gonna get another chance at being a. Um, I did not have kids with my previous wife, so I, you know, I, I did want to be a father, so I believed that was gonna come. I also believed that this is where I was gonna find a really key mentor in my life, which did happen. And so when I made that move, you know, it was a courageous decision. Um, but it, it just came out of this, this mindset that I've got to, to your point, I've gotta put myself in a new environment. And I think the reason why, one of the reasons why that works is because you position yourself for new growth. Mm-hmm. You know, sometimes it can be really difficult to continue to grow in the same exact environment. You know, there's certain kind of plants and trees where that's even true. Where you put'em in a smaller plant and then there comes a point where if they're gonna grow into the fullness, you gotta keep upgrading. Right. Right. So I think, I think move like a shark. Yeah. So I think moves can be just like that to exactly what you said.

Bradley Roth: 30:41

Yeah. So then that was kind of in a sense, a spark. You started to, I'm get you found that mentor. Did you find that the wife, like all those things that you kind of went out believing you were gonna find? That's it.

Clint Hatton: 30:55

I did. Yeah. Yeah. And so we, uh, now we're not gonna get, I'm just telling you upfront cuz we don't have time for this. Mm-hmm. Our story and some of the things that transpired over a couple years and how we ended up getting married is a, is a, probably an episode in of itself. So I'm gonna, I'm gonna spare you guys that, but just know a, a couple of years down the road is when we ended up coming together and we got married and we've been married, it'll be 20 years, actually next month. Um, but part of the reason why I, I wanna even bring that part up is during that dead space, if I could say it that way, where I moved here and then it was a couple years before I even met her. I was very intentional to read lots of books. Um, you know, listen to different, whether it was back in those days, probably a cassette tape, whatever, but just listen to different things so I could learn how to become a man of better character, of better integrity. How to become a great husband and even a father. I read stuff on fatherhood and stuff like that before I was even a dad. Mm-hmm. You know, I think those, that, that two year period, even though I felt like, come on, when is this gonna happen? You know, it was so critical. It was foundational for me to become the man that I needed to be to even receive some of those gifts. Mm-hmm. And be able to steward them well. And so I think, you know, that's something for those of you listening out there that may feel like you're in this like no man's land or you're just circling the airport Right. Waiting. Like, when am I gonna land? You know, pay attention to what's in front of you. You know, take that time, use it productively and, and whatever it is you want to do, Take that time to study it, to learn it, to get mentors and, and be prepared. Yeah.

Bradley Roth: 32:44

I think a lot of people, it's funny cuz you'll, you ask anyone like, Hey, do you think you could go transform yourself physically in a year or two? Like at the gym? Yeah. If put your mind to it, if you surround yourself with the right things, if you take in the right things, everyone say, yeah, of course. You know, cuz it's tangible. We could see that. But then if you ask people the same thing about like, you know, you think you can come a, become a totally new person the way you think and your mindset and all that kind of stuff in a year or two, like, most of'em be like, nah, it's probably not. I am who I am. You know? And so it's, it's just so crazy to me because you're not even limited by physical biology. Yes. And how fast you can change and transform. Right. You're just limited by like your, your brain, your minds. And Absolutely that can change like that in the, you know, doing the right things. So, There's so many people, it drives me in, like, I just wanna like shake people sometimes when they're like, oh, I can't, I can't change, or I can't, you know, this is who I am, or I can't, I can't do that. You know, even though that's kind of what I really want. And I'm like, why? You know? Right, right. So like, you're a prime example. Like you can, you can totally kind of transform who you are in a very short amount of time. You know what I mean? And Yeah. Yeah. Most people just keep kicking that can down the road and they're like, uh, you know, it's not worth it. But like now, from 30 on, that's your whole life. That's completely on a new path.

Clint Hatton: 34:07

Yeah. I think, you know, and I, I'll be curious to see if you agree with this, or maybe you just have a, a different take on it, but mm-hmm. I feel like especially over working with so many different human beings over the course of the last 20, 30 years, I really believe one of the problems that so many people have, They're so destination oriented versus journey oriented, you know, and I'm not against the word, I mean, my gosh, especially as a, as a pastor, I probably preached the word destiny a thousand times. Right. It's a churchy word, but I don't really use it much anymore. And the only reason is because I feel like destination for most people often speaks to, if I just do 1, 2, 3, then I've arrived, you know? Yeah. And, and that's just not the way anything in life works, man. It's all a journey, you know, getting in shape. Mm-hmm. Most people, it happens, most people will join the gym somewhere between December 27th and February 5th. Right. I mean, January 5th. Yeah. And, and what do they do? They try to go from zero to a hundred. They think I need to look like that person immediately, and they don't allow themselves the time of the journey it's gonna take to get there, you know? Right. So I just, for me, I think that's part of it. I think it's this, This idea that we all want quick fixes and we don't necessarily want to put in the work, and instead of embracing the journey of it, we try to, you know, create this fast track destination that's really difficult to pull off.

Bradley Roth: 35:36

Yeah, yeah. I mean, we've probably all heard like the map analogy, right? It's like you, most people don't even have a goal or an end point. Like most people are just driving and hoping that they end up somewhere that they, that they're gonna, like, which the chances of that happening are, you know, not great. So it's having that, like, that set point, that destination. But then like people have that and they're like, I'm not gonna enjoy anything along the. Right. It's like doing a road, road trip and like, I'm not gonna look right or left to enjoy anything. I'm not gonna stop, I'm not gonna visit anywhere else. And it's like, well, yeah, you are. You're gonna be forced to, you're gonna have detours, you're gonna have traffic, like things that slow you down, throw you off, things that come up, other opportunities. And that's just kind of how things work, right? But if you're like, man, I'm gonna go straight line to this place, you know? And there's obviously, there's vehicles that get you to where you wanna go faster, right? Absolutely. This is kind of the whole plane versus car thing and stuff, but then you're gonna get to that point. You see that point, and then it's you, right? It's like getting to a place that you're, you've been like trying to get to and then you're there and then you're there for, you visited a little bit and you're like, you're never like, okay, now I'm just happy to sit. Right. You're like, oh, let's go somewhere else. Let's check out somewhere else. Let's keep moving. Right. But people think that like once they hit this goal that they're just gonna be like content forever. Right. You know? Exactly. That it's gonna solve all their problems and you know, it's just, it's just not the case. And so I think it's important to have both. I think you need to have direction Absolutely. Be of view. Flexible in, in what that is and how you're gonna get there. Right. Because especially like the further out you set that, the more likely it is that it's gonna shift and change on the way there. Right. Oh, ab

Clint Hatton: 37:27

yeah. Absolutely. You know, and you know, you know this as much as anybody, you know, there's, there's millionaires, billionaires out there that achieve certain things that are completely miserable. Yeah. And, and, and usually it's because it's not so much about set goals necessarily, cuz they're obviously high achievers, so they'd never get there. Mm-hmm. But there's compartments Yeah. Of their life. That they've become mediocre. Kind of go back to how we started this conversation, you know? Mm-hmm. Not everybody lives in abject mediocrity in every area of their life. I would say most people may have an area, or maybe it's pretty good. Mm-hmm. But they have these other compartments of mediocrity and they've just chosen for whatever reason, to ignore those. And eventually it catches up with you, right?

Bradley Roth: 38:14

Mm-hmm. Yeah. I don't know about you. I'm guessing that you're, you're familiar with Tony Robbins and a lot of his teachings and stuff. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So it's like he has the Wheel of life, right? Which is like seven different kind of main areas of life. And like if you, if you're a one in one area and at nine in the other, whatever, like your, your wheel's not gonna move very smoothly. Right. And uh, you know, same thing, health, wealth, relationships, that kind of triad that almost everything seems to fit into. I've found that most people tend to have. Comes naturally to them out of those three that they excel at one that's kind of somewhere in the middle. If they work out a little bit, you know, it, it comes. And then one that's, that's a struggle, right? So like, for me personally, uh, health, right? Grew up an athlete. Sports fitness, like that's, that's side of life has always come very easy to me. The relationships part did not come easy to me, but I worked my butt off to kind of learn about it and change who I was and, um, and understand it. And I went from like, being that, that like hopeless romantic, that couldn't, you know, get a date to save his life, to like, you know, marrying my wife, who a lot of people are like, wow, how'd you do that? You know what I mean? So, and then the wealth part is, is that one area That tends to be the biggest challenge for me personally, you know, but like everyone kind of ha and it's, it's developing that self-awareness around Yeah. Will tend to find that strength or that one area and just go all in. And then like, you know, you crank that area up to a 10 and then you're like, oh crap. Like all my other areas, now I gotta go back and bring them up. And it can be harder to do it in retrospect, right? Because now you've maybe, like the classic example is the person who gets very successful money wise, but then they totally forget about their health while they're doing it. Right? And then they go back and they're like, man, I got all this money, but now I can't enjoy it.

Clint Hatton: 40:07

Right. Absolutely. Or they have terrible marriages, relationships, whatever. Yeah. Yeah. That's

Bradley Roth: 40:12

a great point. Yeah. So it's, yeah, it's finding that balance. It's, it's self-awareness. I think self-awareness is the great separator for, for all people. Most people aren't willing to kind of look inside themselves cause we're, we're scared of what we might find, you know? Or these days especially, people can't sit with themselves. We always have to be smartphone, tv, whatever it is. Music in the background, like the ability to just kind of be with our, um, that's where you really get to know yourself, right. And, uh, I think a hundred percent that that's a big missing piece, right? And I think whether you're, you know, this or not, I think that's where a lot of value of, like prayer comes from universally, right? It's time with yourself, time with, you know, whatever it is you might believe in. Um, and that's valuable, you know, no matter kind of where you come from.

Clint Hatton: 41:06

I totally agree a hundred percent. You know, I think there is definitely a power in the self-awareness, um, exercise, however you do that, you know? Mm-hmm. I think for me, in the last probably, well, honestly, since my son's death, even from 2019, that caused a whole other cascade of different types of shifts and, and self-reflection and stuff like that. So I think I'm probably at the much more intentional in these last few years than I'd ever been. Mm-hmm. And one of the things that I started doing more. Which is what you're describing is, is just taking time to think, like, literally like going out on a walk or man, if we live by the beach, which someday, yeah, I would be out there often, but you know, here in Dallas, depending on weather, just, you know, go out for a walk, get outside, just get outside of your, wherever your busyness is happening mm-hmm. That kills your creative nature, you know? Yeah. And just taking time to think about who you are and who you want to become and what you're, you know, where things are going great and where they're not, and everything you just described mm-hmm. Is so critical. Cuz if you don't take time to do that, you will end up like most people with major pockets of mediocrity.

Bradley Roth: 42:23

Mm-hmm. Yeah. Or mental health issues. Like we're seeing a huge rise in is because I think less and less people are able to deal with their own emotions and work through those things. Absolutely. Understand themselves. And, uh, yeah. It's um, I could go on and on about that, I think. But I know you, you mentioned it and I want to get into it with, um, oh, one thing that made me think about just is like, people are like, oh, you know, do I have to go meditate and spend all this time by myself? And it's like, not necessarily, but Right, right. Was like how many people get their best ideas in the shower, right? Yeah. Because it's one of the few places where we're not like looking at a screen, we're not talking to someone, and that sort of thing. And like, so if you like, take that like 10 minutes, uh, shower time that the average person has, and like you multiply that, like think of how much is gonna come to you, right? How many realizations, how many ideas. So that's just kind of a Absolutely. A simple example. Yeah.

Clint Hatton: 43:22

Yeah. Let me, let me jump on that just for two seconds, you know? Yeah. I, for, for me person. It is totally that way. Mm-hmm. And it's not that I never come up with anything creative or any good ideas while I'm working, like set aside to work. Um, but there's no question I feel like my best ideas, my best creative thoughts generally come when I'm not trying to do them and when I'm not working on them. Yes. It comes when I'm doing whatever the

Bradley Roth: 43:48

activity is. When you create a space for them to come to you. Yeah, exactly.

Clint Hatton: 43:52

Where, where I'm not, you know, focusing on trying to fix the problem, things just come to you. They really do.

Bradley Roth: 43:59

Yeah, a hundred percent. Yeah. So I wanna transition, um, because I know you mentioned it with your son passing in 2019 and that's, that's kind of, you know, obviously I, I can't imagine what that was like. I've never experienced anything like that, but that seemed to be another of those like transition points that we've been, has kind of been a ongoing theme. Yeah. So, You're an active pastor at the time. Yeah. Right. Your son at, I believe, was 17, passed away unexpectedly. That's correct. Um, yeah, tell us about that and kind of like how, how you navigated that for. And then kind of transition into what you're working on now? We're doing now,

Clint Hatton: 44:43

yeah. So I'm, I'm gonna backtrack just a hair, but I'm gonna, but I'm gonna do it very quickly to not mm-hmm. Belabor any points. But, you know, we, we left off with my story of us, you know, I'm here in Dallas a couple years ago by, I'm, I'm married now. Yeah. Life is good. And so it's really how it was felt like, man, we're, you know, we we're just like best friends. We have an incredible marriage. At that time, we had Gabriel, who, who's the oldest, and then we had our middle son, Joel, and life's good. Right? But that didn't mean that there weren't other hiccups along the way. Mm-hmm. You know, Gabriel himself was born about, uh, two months, a little over two months early at three pounds, 12 ounces. But she had a pregnancy disease called preeclampsia, basically super high blood pressure. Mm-hmm. Then we decide to have our middle son, Joel, and. Goes full term, she's healthy. We're like, yes. You know, you think you're on track, right? This is how it works. Yep. You think everything's going your way. And I, I literally go into the room with Joel and the nurse after, you know, they gave, she gave birth, she ended up having to have a c-section cuz she ended up just stuck in labor for like 12 hours. So I'm in there and, and we're cleaning them up and it's just like, yeah, this is amazing. And all of a sudden they come. One of the other, uh, nurses came in with, she's professional, but you could tell by the look on her face. And she pulls me back into the recovery room. And Amarillo was really struggling to come outta the anesthesia. She, it wasn't going well. So, you know, another very scary situation and moment. Yeah. Obviously she ended up pulling out of that. And, and then, and then life's going good. And there's promotions and there's, we, we moved to Washington State to work with our mentors. You know, there's just good stuff happening. Hmm. And then Liam comes along and, This is too long gonna start. I won't give you the whole thing, but in short, we, our house in Louisiana, cuz we had actually moved from Louisiana to Washington. This is 2007, 2008. So people mm-hmm. That know housing crisis. Yep. We had a house down there. We couldn't sell for like, two years nightmare. And we were living in Washington with what was in our suitcases, literally. So I literally leave, she's six months pregnant. I leave one morning to fly to New Orleans so that I can meet with movers over the next few days, pack up our house and we're just, we're done. We're, we're just done trying to live that way. We wanna leave the house stage. It wasn't working. So we were gonna move into a place in Washington with all of our stuff and just see what happens with the house. I, I leave and she's feeling, eh? Okay. I get there eight hours later cause it's, you can't fly direct. Takes all day to get there. Mm-hmm. And by the time I got there, Bradley, she was already being rushed to the hospital where our doctor was, that she was originally gonna give birth to or with, uh, because her blood pressure had skyrocketed. It well over 200, over a hundred. I'm like, oh my God. I, and so I'm like, I'm gonna call you back. I hadn't gotten to my house yet, you know? Yeah. Call her an hour later and now she's being transferred to another hospital that's a special NICU unit that they were saying we may have to give birth tonight. Hmm. I was like, you know what the heck? Ultimately I was able to get back the next day before she gave birth. And Liam was born at one pound, 14 ounces. Wow. Or three months early, you know. So another family event, right. That mm-hmm. It's not anything you want, not anything you ask for, but through it. We grew, we learned how to function, you know, stronger as a family. My boys were, my other two boys were very young. They, at times had to spend hours in the hospital room, or excuse me, waiting room, waiting for us to come out of visiting Liam, because it was also during the H one M one virus. Virus. I ring a bell, right? So we were the only two, Emeril, I were only two that could even visit Liam for two and a half months, you know? So there's these other smaller gut punches and things going on that ultimately were living by our values. We're maintaining these mindsets of growth and moving forward and not getting stuck in circumstances. So then fast forward to Gabriel. Gabriel wanted to be a pilot from the time he was eight years old. He went up with his uncle Danny in a little plane and just pot the fever, you know. So by the time, as you said, by the time he was 16 years old, he actually, uh, you know, you gotta work with a flight instructor for some time before this happens. But at 16, right? He's soloed for the first time before he even had his driver's license here in Texas. Wow. Which was, you know, cool and freaky and, you know, all the above. And so then at 17, that's the youngest you can be to actually apply for a private pilot's license certificate. He took the exam, he aced it. He, um, took the check ride, aced the check ride, and boom, you know, was already living his dream. He became a pilot. So over the course of the next several months, he continued to train. Um, anybody who knows anything about young pilots, not mean age, just new pilots. It's all about hours. You know, you're just trying to get in a plane and fly as much as you can. So that's where he was. Yeah. And then on September 23rd, 2019, he was taking a friend, uh, home, well not home, but to school at the University of Arkansas, which is several hours north of us cuz she was here for the weekend for a funeral of all things. Mm-hmm. And so he, he dropped her off and then as he was returning, this was night flying, which was what he was doing and needed to do. Mm-hmm. He ended up about 20 minutes out of Fayetteville and ran into an unexpected weather system and he ended up, essentially same thing that happened with the Kobe Bryant pilot, which most people are probably aware of. Yeah. And he suffered from what they call spatial disorientation. So he ended up flying into the mountainside and lost his life. And, you know, it was a hellish night, as you can imagine. We knew he had disappeared at about eight o'clock, 8:00 PM on the 23rd. And then it was just a series. I won't take you through it, Bradley, but it was just a series of. Painful hours and, and misinformation and getting one story from the search and rescue, the, because he was in a rural area that had no cell phone coverage saying they had nothing to report while I'm looking at my phone and news agencies are leaking new information as we went along the night. It was just a truly a, a nightmare. Yeah. And it wasn't until 3:30 AM that we had the final word from the coroner that he was indeed, uh, dead and, and had passed away. And so, you know, um, to say, you know, it's not even fair to call that a gut punch. I mean, it's a life-changing, right? Yeah. Our lives will never be the same. Mm-hmm. Um, that's not something that you just move on from. Um, but, you know, to, to move, move into the story and lead us eventually to where we are today. There was a couple things that happened that morning that were really critical and ended up sending me on a new journey as you described. You know, the first was I had to sit down with my two sons who were nine and 14 at the time, and they had slept through the night. We did not get them up. We didn't want them to go through, we didn't even know, you know, where it was gonna end. Yeah. So I had to sit down and have the impossible conversation with them that morning. They came out and I think, you know, you, you guys know enough of my story now to know, you know, there's been these ebbs and flows, but there's been some, some life experiences, some character development, um, you know, certainly helping people for many years as a pastor in very difficult situations, including losing loved ones. Mm-hmm. Played to my favor to a small degree. And what I mean by that, it doesn't help you with pain. Pain is very real when you lose a child. Yeah. Or anyone really close to you. Um, but I did understand the pitfalls of where we could end up if we didn't set a compass. Yeah. So I told the boys, I said, listen, we have two choices. We can choose. And I, I call these, I didn't say it to them this way, Bradley, but I, I call them now life or death mentalities, just for the sake of conversation. Mm-hmm. I said we can choose to focus on his death. Meaning boys, we can constantly be focused on the tragedy. How he died. He, he died in a plane crash. He died in a plane crash, trying to chase his dreams. You know, we're, we have all these milestones and events that we're not gonna experience now. And if that's our focal point, I knew we were gonna be shadows of who we were created to be. Yeah. I've seen it too many times. I've seen marriages end up in divorce and families of club. Yeah. And then this, the part two with that was is here's the other side, boys, well, let me finish with this. So I said, here's how we're gonna honor Gabriel. You, you guys already know he became a pilot at 17. That's, that's a pretty big deal. But he taught himself guitar. Mm-hmm. He was an amazing photographer who had some incredible opportunities with that gift. He attacked life. I, I, I like to joke, you know, we all like t-shirts with something on it. His would be what's next? Hmm. Because even though he faced fear like anybody else, he never let it stop him. Mm-hmm. And he was willing to take the risks necessary to chase the pursuits that he wanted to experience. And so I told him, we are going to honor his life by living the way he did. We're gonna commit to that as a family, not doing the stuff he did cuz we have our own sounds. Part one, part two was we don't know what grieving is gonna be like. There's no way to predict and there's four of us involved in this. Right. As a family. So everybody's gonna feel a little bit differently at times. But we set the, the compass that day that it didn't matter how anybody was feeling, you could be angry and you could cuss. We, we don't do that much as a family, but I felt the need to tell my boys that. It's like, even if you get so angry, you feel like you need to cuss, do it. It's okay. There will be no consequence. You know, if we need to cry, we're gonna cry. If we need to laugh because we're remembering some joyful experience with him or something funny about his personality, all of it is okay, but we're gonna do it together. And this was so critical, and I want your listeners out there who, who maybe, maybe have suffered through something like this and maybe they're still a little stuck or, or you know, those who are hearing this now. And, and god forbid, you end up in a situation, not like mine necessarily, but just where you suffer a tough loss. For us, it was our family. But you've gotta pull in some people that, you know, will walk with you through this no matter what. Mm-hmm. And won't try to stop how you're feeling. So as a dad, I've cried in front of my boys many times and recently. Mm-hmm. You know, it wasn't just in those first 48 hours or year, you know? Right. There's still moments where I miss my son and, and the goal isn't even to get rid of the pain because the pain represents the love we share, period. Mm-hmm. But we have used those things that, that life mentality and that commitment to each other, to allow each other to grow and to experience the complex emotions that come with losing a loved one. You know, we've allowed each other to cry. We've had courageous conversations where maybe I feel pretty good today, but I just don't know if Amarillo is or not. You know, many times in those situations people are afraid to even ask their, even their own spouse, how are you doing? And they're afraid to ask that because one, they don't wanna trigger themselves. Cause I, I feel pretty good today. Or, or they feel like, well, maybe they're doing good. Maybe I shouldn't say anything. You know? And we have not been, you know, shy about that. We have not steered away from that. And so we've had those hard conversations and sometimes it has been one of us is, is feeling really heavy that day. Yeah. And we allow those emotions to process and we talk it through and then, and then boom, we, we move forward. We keep stepping, we keep pursuing our dreams and our lives. And so that's really ultimately what began this new transformation for even me as a man. Cuz what I realized, Bradley, um, and we talked about it early in this conversation, when I began to look at my, you know, wheel of life. I didn't do that exercise. I'm familiar with it, it's very powerful. But as I just began to be self-aware and take time to think and look at who I was and, and you know, where I was in life in terms. Yeah. I was a courageous, you hear me use the word courage a lot. I, I was a courageous person in compartments of my life. Mm-hmm. But I recognized there were compartments of my life that, unlike my son Gabriel, who never seemed to let anything get in his way. If it's something he wanted to do, I was a coward. And those are fighting words. Yeah. You know, if you, if one of, if you and I, you know, were friends now. Right. But if we were in front of each other and one of us called each other a coward, woo, man, that takes some SelfControl.

Bradley Roth: 57:21

Right. Because there's Yeah. As a man, there's not many bigger insults. Right.

Clint Hatton: 57:25

It really is not, you know? Yeah. Um, but it was true. Mm-hmm. It was true. I called my, I, I called myself that in the book. I, I called myself a coward. It made me began to look at areas of my life where I had allowed fear and mediocrity and those things. To keep me from really going for it in certain areas. One was writing a book, which I eventually did. Another was starting this, you know, transformational dev, you know, personal development company. Something I thought about doing on the side for decades. Didn't have the courage to do it. Mm-hmm. You know, so there was, there was just something in, even though his loss is very real and it's still painful and you know, we're, we're gonna grieve in different ways at different times for the rest of our lives. It was also a catalyst to wake me up and my entire family, you know, the boys are obviously young. Yeah. But we all have our own version of what it has looked like to pursue our deepest dreams and live big bull brave, which I'll explain how that came about in a second. It's a very short story. But my wife became an artist and she's does just this amazing work and that's been her expression that really. You know, it was tough for about eight months, to be honest. She, she didn't do much with it for about eight months after his death. But eventually when she began to catch momentum and that became her version of Big Bull Brave, it exploded. And my boys have their versions of, of what that looks like as well. So, you know, the, it was, it was ultimately a catalyst to cause us to under turn every rock in life and begin to make changes. Changes in who we were to pursue the things we want to pursue. And even, you know, I know you, you talk about this a lot too, you know, who we surround ourselves with. There was a lot of things we were doing that we realized we were doing out of obligation, not out of passion. Mm-hmm. And there are even some relationships, or at least time spent, That were more, I have a chapter in the book at the end of the book called Boundaries and Parasites. I know that sounds offensive, but you know, parasites sucked the life outta you. They don't give you anything in return. Mm-hmm. And so we even looked at that and began to really be more intentional of who we really spent our intimate relationships with. Didn't mean we didn't still help people that need help. And that's, you know. Yeah.

Bradley Roth: 59:53

Wow. Well, first off, thanks for sharing that again. I know you've done it a bunch of times, but I can't imagine it's, it's easy. Yeah. Uh, like I said, I've never been through anything quite like that. Any, I mean, I, I'd say most, most people haven't been through a loss like that probably until they've been older. But I always think about man, like, how am I gonna deal with it when it, when it does happen? Because I know when it does. Like it's gonna just, you know, crush me in a way, because I've never, never dealt, you know, I've, I've been to funerals, obviously I've lost, you know, my grandparents. But, you know, I also, I saw them maybe once a year kind of thing. And, and that's so, um, but I've seen this happen where, like you said, you've seen it as a pastor a thousand times where someone suffers a loss. Everything kind of falls apart from there. And then there's, there's the other one where people look at it and they find the meaning and they say, okay, how would he have or she have wanted us to live? Yeah. You know, what does it teach us? You know, we, we now see how precious and how short life can be. And so now we're gonna live every day c to the fullest and like it's our last and um, you know, there's this, there's this, uh, kind of travel video vlogger named Sam Colder and he has the most amazing videos, but he did one, um, that I'll have to send you in that I'll have to put in the show notes for you guys listening that. Um, man, what, I'll have to look up what it's called, but he did it cuz his younger brother, maybe his older brother, his brother, uh, drowned when they were like in, in their teens. And so he kind of made this video as like a tribute to his brother Yeah. And showed all of these amazing things that he's gone on to do and how he is like, you know, his mindset because of all that. And it's really a powerful video. I'll have to, I'll have to send it and share it with everyone, but it's just Please do, please do. I wrote that down too. Yeah, I will. Yeah. But, uh, yeah, it's incredible to hear just what you've done with it, um, and your family. And I think a lot of people listening to that are, you know, when you brought up the coward and courageous part, you know, like I I said earlier in the episode, I like to sometimes shake people and be like, why don't you go for it? Why don't you do the things you want to do? But we're all guilty of having those areas where we, we are kind of. We hold back, we don't go for it. We limit ourselves. Yeah. Um, and so to be able to use something like that to, you know, obviously it's, it's directly impacted you and your, your boys and your wife, but the, the trickle down effect from all the people that you're connected to and that new hymn and knew you guys and, and now with everything you're doing with your book and getting on podcasts and all this stuff, like who, you know, you can't even, can't even count like the impact to that. So, um,

Clint Hatton: 1:02:53

yeah, if I could say something to that too. Mm-hmm. I, I love what you just said and I, I think it's important to dis um, distinguished for everybody listening to that. We're not talking about doing this perfectly. Yeah. You know, we're not, we're not a perfect family. I'm not a perfect dad. I'm not a perfect husband. My kids aren't perfect. You know, there has been continued rocky roads in different ways and, and, and life continues. Right? So we've had different. Gut punches since then. Obviously they don't compare on the level of emotional pain, but, um, so I, I think it's really important as you, as you think about this for your own life, again, we're back to the journey thing, you know, so what, what these mindsets have done for us, and that's why I keep using the word compass. It's, it's given us a true north, it's given us something to recalibrate towards, but it doesn't mean we've done it perfectly. So if you've had a bad day or a bad month or a bad year, god forbid, a bad decade, you know, it's not over. Yeah. But you, you just need to put your head down and, and focus on your values and what's, what's meaningful to you and who you wanna become and start taking those steps. And as long as you keep taking those steps, it really won't matter what hits you, you will still continue to move forward.

Bradley Roth: 1:04:07

Yeah. Yeah, a hundred percent. And one other thing that you mentioned that. I think what was really powerful was how you, you said, we're not gonna like numb ourselves. We're not gonna fight away the emotions. We're gonna experience them and let them happen. Right. So that they don't become trapped and Yep. You know, and that, that doesn't lead anywhere necessarily. Good. And especially, you know that in your, in your twenties right? You were doing these drugs to, to nu like, just like any kind of escape that people use to, to numb ourselves, to avoid feeling something or to push away something that's uncomfortable. So yeah, I think it's really important that people, like we have, we have this kind of like, there's good emotions, there's bad emotions, and it's not right. You know, all emotions are a signal and it's, it's just kind of how you deal with them, right? Like you can, that's exactly right. Yeah. You can take anger or frustration and you can be self-destructive or you can use it, you know, to motivate you. Right? Like there's countless examples of how you can use. Emotions. But I think again, it, it all ties together kinda everything we've been talking about with like the learning to sit with yourself and be with yourself and feel those emotions. Right. And that's right. The more you push them off the, you know, the bigger they're gonna grow or the, you know, the harder it gets and that sort of thing. So I think it's super important, whether it's grief, whether it's anything else that you allow it to happen. Right. And I, yeah, I have, like, growing up, just a lot of, like, really, I was always the person who, you know, if I had issues, I, I was amazing and I'm still pretty good at it, you know, taking'em and just kind of, you know, pushing'em down and Right. Ignoring Mo and, and I don't feel'em, and, and that kind of thing. You know, I, I never really dealt with them, so to say, growing up. And so that's kind of, yeah. And then all of a sudden, like last year, you know, this kind of series of events happened that man, like all these, all of these things that I think were repressed for so long, eventually just kind of like burst through. Yeah. And. I was dealing with all kinds of different things at once, you know, and, um, and that's like, you know, again, I haven't, I haven't dealt with any really high level trauma necessarily, but all these kind of micro things that just, they stack up, they compound, they build, they matter. Yeah. And be, yeah. And because I had kind of like, you know, dealt with them in my not dealing with them way they, they all came back to the surface and every, and they will. Right. And so I kind of, it's funny in this past year, really learned that lesson. And so, um, you know, especially for guys out there, we're kind of taught, you know, you don't show it, you don't deal with it, you don't Right. Share it. And uh, you know, so it's kind of trying to change that paradigm, right? You don't, you don't have to go and become, it's not saying, oh, you know, go become hyper emotional and no, let it dictate, but learn. Healthily deal with them. And, and I think a lot of seeing the rise of everything mental health wise and, you know, all, all of these, you know, school shootings that we're seeing, they all tie back to kind of like mental illness and, and these things. And um, and so I think there's like that, that message and that you're sharing of how to, how to deal with these things and how to move on and, and not necessarily move on and forget, but Yeah. But move on and continuing to move forward.

Clint Hatton: 1:07:32

Well, everything that you just said is, is so accurate and so true. And you know, when you think about, I, I can even give you a quick story on what this looks like in real time. Cuz the truth is you're right, there's especially men, I think men. Much more so than women and there's tons of data. Ne neither one of us are neuroscientists or mm-hmm. Clinical therapists or anything like that. We both probably know a bunch and study that. There's an enormous amount of data to back up everything you just said that it Absolutely. Mm-hmm. There's an old commercial, I don't know if you, you may be too young. This is the only time I'll say that today. There's this old commercial Fram oil filters, and the, the tag was, you can pay me now or you can pay me later. That was a famous old ad from like the seventies. Yeah. That's what happens. Mm-hmm. You will pay the bill emotionally, and so the beauty of this is that this is an area where we don't have to be stuck. We can learn and we can grow in it no matter what our past has been. And so I was very much like you, but you know, I've, this is an area that you mature in over time and circumstances when you've engaged and you're the type of person that's gonna do that, right? Mm-hmm. And, and your listeners won't be listening to this unless they're the type of person, cuz they're not most people, yeah, they're gonna learn to do this. But one quick example, last year, you know, it's over three years, which still isn't a long time to lose a loved one. But we're, we're on vacation. We're at 4th of July weekend. We're down in Florida, we're on this little island. My father-in-law has a boat, surround a boat. I don't know if I mentioned this on here, I think I said it to you before we got on, but my wife is Puerto Rican, so this is the Puerto Rican side of the family. So if, if you have no reference point for that, just know Puerto Ricans know how to party. So we're out on, we're out, we're in the, we're on the beach and most of us are, you know, like waist deep. In the water, either on a little flotation device or in my case, I'm just kind of bouncing. Everybody's got their beverage of choice. There's music blaring. Mm-hmm. Having a great time. Yeah. So I began to think about Gabriel wasn't intentional. You know, it just, you don't need a trigger, just whatever. And as I began to think about him, I recognized that there was just a sadness coming on me. Mm-hmm. Well, you have two choices, right. You know, you can do the old way, which is just suppress it. Yeah. Or you can deal with it. And so what I recognized, and this is where we have to be intentional, but I recognized was there was so much fun going on with everybody else that nobody was paying attention to just me. Hmm. So I literally bobbed myself about 20, 30 feet away from where everybody. And Riley, I let myself, I wasn't, you know, sobbing and making a scene or anything like that. Mm-hmm. But tears streamed down my face for probably 30, 40 minutes. And I just thought about him. I felt the emotions of sadness, of wishing he was there. And then there came a point, and this is how our emotions work when, when we're functioning well. Mm-hmm. Cuz you said it so well, there is no good or bad emotion. Emotions. Just emotions. You just gotta tell them what to do. Right? Yeah. And so I experienced what I need to experience and then I knew, okay, I needed that. Now I need to exchange this sadness for, in this case, joy. And I moved back over the water. No even, nobody even knew what was happening. Jumped in the back of the, one of our boats cuz everybody had started to eat and I exchanged it for joy. Mm-hmm. And literally just started having a great time. Now, one of the reasons why this is so important when you're talking about a man, and in my case a husband with boys, I did tell my family later. What had happened. Mm-hmm. I, I let them know what I experienced that day because we've gotta model this stuff. We've gotta let our kids know that, like you said, it's not about being this babbling idiot who is constantly controlled by their emotions, but that you learn to mature and deal with them in a healthy way for what the moment calls for. Mm-hmm. You know, if I was in a boardroom, then that'd been a different story and I would've had to temporarily suppress it, but then I would've needed to either, whether it was later that night or the next morning or whatever was appropriate as soon as possible, I would need to allow myself to get in a safe space and, and go back and, and, and, you know, process what I need to process. And that's what so many people just don't do.

Bradley Roth: 1:11:50

Yeah. Yeah. That's such an interesting story cuz I've, I've had similar moments where, I'm at some sort of like social thing and you know, sometimes I wanna be there, sometimes I don't, whatever. And, uh, yeah, me too, man. And, and there's certain things where like, yeah, if you've had kind of a rough day or a rough week or something comes up in conversation that just kind of triggers you and you start to feel, feel something come on and you're like, you know, it's almost like, uh, it's almost like all of a sudden you're the only sober one and everyone else is like, you kind of are like, just, it's just you in your mind and you're like, there's all these things around me, but like, it's just, I'm Yeah. A hundred percent in here right now. Yeah. And I need to just step away and, uh, whether that's, you know, going to another room for a minute, you know, sometimes, sometimes you're like, Hey, I gotta go to the bathroom. Right. Whatever it is to, yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Get a minute and uh, and kind of like, deal with that. And then sometimes it's like, you know, you come back and you can reintegrate cuz you dealt with it and then sometimes you're like, you know what, maybe I'll leave a little early tonight and uh, you know, do what I gotta do. But, uh, Yeah, it's, it's interesting because I think a lot of people, like you could deal with that a couple different, a lot of different ways, right? You can take that time and go and process or you can, you know, a lot of those times those settings, you're like, Hey, there's uh, any type of alcohol I want right nearby, you know, and you, you could turn to that too, you know? Right. So, yeah. Um, but it's interesting cuz yeah, I've, I've had similar moments where I'm like, you know, everything freezes and you're like, you know what, I, I gotta go for a little bit. And then you come back and a lot of times, yeah, sometimes, you know, my wife will usually notice, she'll be like, Hey, where were you? And then everyone else, like, you know, most other people like, have no idea. You know, they're just, just still going. So, yeah. It just, it's not a, yeah. You made

Clint Hatton: 1:13:43

me so laugh, man. Cause I, I gotta share this really quick. We don't have this t-shirt actually printed, but we've joked about it so many times that my wife needs a t-shirt that says when we're going to a party. Sorry, I was late. I didn't really want to come. We always joke about that. Yeah. But the truth is, you find yourself just, you know, like you just described, you find yourself sometimes in certain situations. And that's another thing that happened really through us growing through and processing Gabriel's death, is there are times when we recognize we don't have the capacity for whatever it is. Yeah. Yep. You know, I can be in front of a lot of people and be totally fine with it, but just like you described, there's also times when we need to give ourselves permission to say, you know what? My tank just went dry for this situation. Yeah, yeah. And I, and I need to just make a courageous decision for myself. God bless you. Have a great night.

Bradley Roth: 1:14:36

You know? Yep. A hundred percent. Yeah, and that's another kind of awareness thing too, right on like the introvert extrover. Spectrum. Right? A lot of people think extrovert means you talk a lot. It's like, no, no. Extrovert means you get energy from being around people. And introvert means you get energy from, you know, being kind of in solitude. And I found that I'm kind of in the middle, which is an ambivert, right? So I, I, if I spend too much time on either end, I feel drained, right? If I spend too much time alone, I start to get into a lower energy. If I spend too much time socially, I get wiped out, right? Especially if I'm around extroverted. People who talk a lot like that, that tends to wear me out after a little while, right? Or I go to a networking event where you're Yeah. Turned on mentally. A hundred percent. Or like when I used to coach at the gym, right? Like I, for that hour, I was like 110% locked in, turned on. And if I taught more, Two straight classes. Like I was, I was mentally exhausted. Yeah. Yeah. Like my fu my future brother-in-law, he's a trainer and uh, you know, he does all like one-on-one small group stuff and he does like, you know, 50 sessions a week, you know, he's crushed it. But he's like, he can do that. I'm like, man, just the thought of that exhausts me. Like I couldn't do it. Not like the physical part. I could do run around everywhere and being in the gym all day. I did that in the past. But to do eight to 10, like one-on-one sessions a day where you're locked in, like I've couldn't do it. You know? And so it's just learning who you are, what works for you. Coming back to that self-awareness that we keep talking about, you know, cuz Yeah, like you said, if I've been around people for a long time, it's like, man, now I gotta go and be social again. When my tank is, is zapped, it's, you know, you're just gonna go past. And then you're gonna take more time to bounce back. And

Clint Hatton: 1:16:23

you call that an ambivert? Is that what you said?

Bradley Roth: 1:16:25

Ambivert is where you're kind of in the middle, right? Like you're not really an introvert, you're not really an extrovert. Like you need both sides. That,

Clint Hatton: 1:16:31

that's a new term for me. So I learned something new from you today. Dude, you just, you just gave me language for my own life. There you go. That must be what I am because man, I'm telling you, especially if I'm an environment where I've given all I can give and my energy is depleting. Mm-hmm. I don't mess around anymore. And my wife a lot like what you described, my wife is a really good, um, cuz it's usually me first. She will once in a while, but it's usually me first and she'll see it on me and she's like, are you done? I'm like, I'm done and I'm done.

Bradley Roth: 1:17:04

Yeah. Yeah. Like there's certain, certain, like if I'm there and I'm having a good time, like I'm interacting with everyone, I'm contributing in the conversation, I'm listening intently. Like, you know, I'm, yeah. But then like, it's pretty obvious when I'm like zoned out, I'm. I'm just not there anymore, you know? And Bradley gets left the building. Yeah, exactly. Like, I, I can't fake it, you know? I used to fake it and now it's like, you know, if I'm, if I'm done, if I'm not into it, like it's, it's pretty obvious. Kinda obvious to people. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, um, but yeah, I think it's just all, everything that we've been talking about, it's just pattern recognition, right? Yeah. Getting better at recognizing, oh, this is, this is what's coming, here's how we deal with it, and here's what works and, and that kind of thing. And that just takes time and that takes, again, introspection like we've been coming back to. Um, and most people just aren't great at recognizing their patterns, I think. Right? Like, and it's another thing that Tony Robbins says, he's like, you know, he's like, I'm not that smart. I've just seen thousands and thousands and thousands of people. And when you see that much data, you start to pick up patterns and it's just everything. Is pattern recognition. So, yeah, I agree man. So that's where I think like journaling, a lot of people find journaling and meditation. These things can be very useful cuz then you can kind of analyze all these things and create that space to do that. So yeah,

Clint Hatton: 1:18:24

absolutely. It's something that kicks in actually the creative side of your brain, and that's just the reality of it is more often than not, most people don't put themselves in a situation for that part of your brain to even kick in.

Bradley Roth: 1:18:38

Yeah. Yeah. That's space. So again, like you said, pay now or pay later, right? That's right. Yeah. So, uh, you know, real quickly give me, gimme big, bold, brave where exactly that came from.

Clint Hatton: 1:18:50

Yeah. So, so we're back to that morning of the accident and in short what happened was is, you know, I mean it was a plane. And it was a 17 year old pilot, so obviously it was making news. Mm-hmm. Like, like you would think it would. Yeah. So we had two different news stations reach out to us the morning of, and only one of'em, I actually took the call, which was our N B C Dallas affiliate. And you know, the r I'll say up front, the rapport was very kind very cautious. Like considerate, cautious in the way Yeah. And very considerate in the way she had the conversation. So I don't wanna paint it like it, like it was something different. But she was asking me to do an interview, you know, and I'm like, hell no. You know? Mm-hmm. There's no freaking way, you know, we were a mess. Yeah, right. But, but now, you know what happened on the couch that morning before this call happened. And so what she ended up saying at the end of the call, Bradley, she said, well, listen, she goes, I just, and she happened to be a person of faith too, which would factor in just in terms of us connecting on a human level. Mm-hmm. You know, but she said, listen, she goes, Just think about it. There's still time today, but I just want you to understand this is my assignment and so I, I have to do this story today. Mm-hmm. And if I do it without you, it's gonna be a report on his death. If you'll allow me and we can do it together, it can be a story about his life. And I think you can see the correlation there with what I described earlier. And so, yeah. I didn't say yes. I, you know, I'm, I was still thinking in that moment, there's just, I can't do it. Yeah. Hung up and we ended up having a family meeting. My other father-in-law from Florida was, was here already. He'd gotten here pretty quickly. And, uh, we ended up deciding as a family that, you know, it was gonna be our. Opportunity, if you will. That's not really the right word. But, um, the first time we were faced with, are we truly gonna live by this life mentality or, or not? You know, so we chose to do the interview, we did it. And, uh, I honestly, I don't, the whole thing's a blur. I, I don't re remember anything about that particular process of mm-hmm. Putting together an interview. But what happened is that night, I didn't know I had said it, but I apparently at some point had said Gabriel lived big, bold, and brave. Mm-hmm. And what she did was she didn't play that part of the footage at the end of the segment. She ended up saying at the end, and Gabriel's parents encourage you to live like Gabriel. Big, bold, and brave. Hmm. And when I heard it back to me, I'm gonna use that word life again. There was, there was life. And of course, I, I mean, it would be a couple of years before I'd even think about launching the company. Big, bold, brave, writing the book. Big, bold, brave that there wasn't like, oh, yeah, now I know what I'm gonna do with it. It was just this personal family mantra that we used from time to time. It's like, let's live like Gabriel big, bold and brave. And so it became a thing for us. Yeah. But ultimately, as, as my capacity grew coming out of that, I, I call the first year the shock and off age of grieving simply because you're, you know, you're experiencing for the first time a bunch of first birthdays, holidays, that kind of stuff. No. Yeah. Um, but then eventually when I felt like I had the courage in the capacity to launch out the name of the company, to me was a no-brainer. I was thrilled when I did a search and found out that nobody had that. I couldn't believe it. And then, uh, ultimately I would end up writing the book. In, in the book. I'm gonna point out to you, and I don't know if you're gonna want to go anywhere with this. We certainly don't have to, but, You know, COVID hit three months after Gabriel passed away. Hmm. So we were dealing with all of that and the whole world was, and why I wrote the book when I did, which didn't start until, you know, 2022 basically. Uh, I was so sick and tired of all of the fear being spewed through media and people that, you know, almost seem to get off on that kind of thing. And, and just the hopelessness that so many people were feeling that I just, I decided that I'm, it's time I'm gonna write this book cuz it's not a book, it's not a grieving book. Although it will definitely help somebody that ever has to face grieving, cuz it does contain the stuff I just talked to you about. But it's way more than that and it's really just, if you could call it just a live philosophy, just like not most people, you know? Mm-hmm. Of this clarion call to quit giving into fear. Quit listening to what everybody else is trying to tell you how to think, how to feel, what to do, and take control of your life and make some courageous decisions that send you on a trajectory that lead you to the life that you've dreamed of. And it doesn't mean you're gonna achieve everything, right. But you definitely never will if you don't step out and do it. Mm-hmm.

Bradley Roth: 1:23:37

Yeah. That is so in alignment with the whole philosophy of not most people, it's kind of scary almost.

Clint Hatton: 1:23:43

Yeah, yeah. No, I read all your stuff and I'm like, dude, we're, I'm your older brother. I'm gonna say it that way. Slightly, slightly older brother.

Bradley Roth: 1:23:51

There we go. Yeah, man, that's, uh, I dunno if I have a whole lot to add to that. Like that was kind of just a perfect. Sation, I feel like, of everything we've been talking about. But before we wrap things up, and I mean, this has been a, I know we could probably talk another couple hours easily.

Clint Hatton: 1:24:09

Yeah. There's a lot of life topics, right? Yeah,

Bradley Roth: 1:24:11

yeah. Yeah. Well, uh, we'll have to get to your podcast, big bold, brave podcast going at some point, right. And then Absolutely. Yeah. And then do it from the other side. Yeah. So that'd be a lot of fun. Yeah, definitely. But, uh, there's one question that I ask everyone who comes on the show, and that is, what is your definition of not most people? And I have a feeling I kinda know what that answer's gonna be,

Clint Hatton: 1:24:30

but Yeah. I mean, I almost feel like I just said it probably pretty well than I I did. Yep. Maybe, maybe I need to just say what I just said so I don't say it lesser than, but you know, I ju I just think ultimately at the end of the day, it's just that it's taking control of your life. Mm-hmm. And quit two things. Let's face it, because first we gotta stop listening to the narrative that we've told ourselves. We didn't really mm-hmm. We, we implied that a lot, but we didn't necessarily say that. Point blank. You've gotta decide what story you're gonna tell yourself, you know? And we even did that with, with Gabriel and the pain, you know, I, I called that giving our pain and purpose. What did I do? Mm-hmm. I didn't get rid of my pain. I told my pain how to behave. Right. This is where, this is where we're gonna take you. So it's, it's deciding that for yourself and then aligning yourself with people that can help you fulfill that mission and take an intentional steps to make it happen. No matter what fear, no matter what risks, no matter what comes against you, that makes you think you can't do it, you just call bullshit, excuse me, and you move on and you go for it. Hmm.

Bradley Roth: 1:25:33

I love it. Yeah. That whole not settling, going for it, being brave, being, being bold, all that stuff is not most people. So, yeah. Great answer. And, uh, It's funny, I've had a couple podcast episodes that I

Clint Hatton: 1:25:48

felt pressure on that one, man, I gotta get this right.

Bradley Roth: 1:25:51

Yeah, right. That, that are, that have had to be like, kind of rescheduled. One of'em was actually with our friend Allison who introduced us and Yeah. Yeah. It's funny cuz each time, like the first time, uh, or like Monday we like, we try to do this. For those of you listening, we try to do this. A couple days ago we had it scheduled, we got on internet was not cooperating with us and uh, we rescheduled for today. And it's just one of those things that kind of works out in a weird way cuz like we talked about it like on Monday, like my tank was towards the empty side, you know? Yeah. And uh, you know, I was still gonna do things cuz we scheduled it. You know, today was a better day for it, and I think everything kind of came out better. So, um,

Clint Hatton: 1:26:31

yeah, I think so too. I I appreciate your patience on that too. Cause I think it was on my end and I'm just, I'm really glad we do this. I did this. I, I thought it was gonna be really great and mm-hmm. And I really believe we had an alignment, but man, it was, it was awesome in Europe. I just wanna say to your listeners, you are doing such an amazing job in the way that you're leading people and, and, um, the, the fact that you're willing to take those risks yourself. You know, you said you weren't a public speaker, dude, it's hard to fathom that talking to you, but I'm so grateful that you just don't give into fear and you do it anyway. And I guarantee you, man, you are, you are putting rocket fuel in people's tank. Hmm.

Bradley Roth: 1:27:13

Thank you. That means a lot. I appreciate that. I really do. And I say the same back to you, so thank you. Uh, yeah. So I know people have heard big, bold, brave, and, and all that work and they find everything that you got going on. Yeah. Easiest way

Clint Hatton: 1:27:29

to go to my website. Big, bold, brave.us. Now I know people are gonna go, what do you mean? Isn't it us? Yeah, I know that, but I chose that domain on purpose. I think collaboration is the most powerful thing on the planet. So big, bold, brave, uss They can get the book there, they can check out my, you know, how to bring me in as a speaker, whatever it is they wanna find out. But I do wanna point out, cause I know you have an audience that goes outside the us um, most people are probably already aware, but shipping is nuts. So if you live outside the US you can buy my book on Amazon or anywhere it's available. So you don't have to go to my website, but especially if you're outta the country, go to go to Amazon.

Bradley Roth: 1:28:05

Okay, cool. Good to know. And, uh, yeah guys, I'm sure after this episode you're gonna want to go check out everything Clint's got going on. We just talked for an hour and I'm, I'm like itching to go even learn more so. Man, this was, uh, this was awesome. Uh, I don't know how long we've been going, but, uh, definitely on the longer end episodes. And it could have gone longer. I haven't even looked. Yeah, it's been a minute. It's been a minute. Yeah, for sure. So, uh, that's always a good sign. That always means that the, the energy is right and, and I always say the episodes as long as it was meant to be, so, yeah, I agree. Yeah. So, uh, man, thank you so much for coming on and looking forward to, to staying in touch and working together.

Clint Hatton: 1:28:46

Sounds great. Me too, Bradley. Thank you for having me on.

Bradley Roth: 1:28:49

Of course. Of course. And thank you guys for tuning in again, and like I said at the beginning of the episode, uh, if you got value out of this, which, if you're still listening at this point, I know you did on this one, and I know that there's also probably someone you know who, you know, maybe they're going through a transition time, maybe they've suffered a loss, they're looking for direction, they're struggling with the emotions, whatever it might be. There's a whole bunch of things in this episode that could help them. So please take the, Time to think of that person. Shoot in this episode. Say, Hey, I was thinking of you. You know, check this out. I think you, you know, might get something out of it. So that's all I I ask again, and then all kinds of exciting stuff going on. Cool. So check that out. And other than that, guys, we will see you in the next one. Thank you for tuning in. And always remember, don't be most people.